Hunting and pest control

[Lez325]

You say you're not accurate then don't shoot anything live in that case leaving an animal wounded and suffering is not the Air gun hunters way mate

- untill such times as you are able to hit what you shoot at - simple- no gun for £100 is going to be much use to you if you plan to take live quarry with it- save your cash but a decent sub12ft/lb springer

learn how to shoot it - then have a go at rabbits etc- not before

Les

[demondoof]

I would suggest you look in your loacal free advertiser you have a kent frre-ads that allows the sale of air rifles does'nt it? if none in it put a wanted ad. there are loads of old good quality rifles around for your price. are you looking at open sights? or do you want a scope as well? You could as people have said try and save a little harder. if your lust for game is so great in the mean time I'm sure there are plenty of shooters in your area willing to forward you the odd cadaver instead of burying or burning it.
The rifles you are looking at are chinese beginner level plinking rifles take no notice of the comics as they are written by dealers who would suggest a catty for hunting if they thought it would sell more stock (In fact they already have done a feature on such a foray! )
anyway good luck in your persuit of the best rifle for your money
eric

[MIDLANDER]

Originally Posted by Lez325

None of the above

Les

Hi Lez, apologies 1st if this comes accross as A bit snotty, and yes I have noticed the emoticon.

regarding your comment above re the XS36-2 Springer.

You seem to be of the opinion that if the Rifle is not one of the top brands i.e Air Arms, Logun, Theoben etc. it isnt sufficient to deliver A clean Kill. i

I Currently own An XS36-2 and to be honest I find it to be A very capable Rifle. A little noisy on the ear maybe, but still reasonable given the price.

Like any Air Rifle, once the scope is Zeroed properly and it is coupled with the right ammunition and a Competent shooter it is more than capable of Stopping Small vermin.

It'll certainly despatch pigeons cleanly. I know this from experience having done it. 20Yds range with A Head Shot.
Mine is currently fed with AA Diablo Field and at present is putting out around 11Ft/lbs at the muzzle.

I certainly agree that before anyone takes on Live Targets they should hone their shooting skills upto A decent standard 1st. as well as ensuring their chosen rifle is up to the Task.
However, I dont agree that in order to go Hunting for pigeons, Rabbits etc. that the Shooter should only buy Branded Rifles.

Lets face it, we'd All like to drive A top of the range Car, but how many of us actually do?
Most people dont, but the cars they do have still get them where they wanna go.

You (Amongst others) Advise i_am_sam82 to look for A sendhand Rifle.
in order to do the job.
Thats all well and good, but what if the S/H Rifle isnt up to scratch? i.e not as powerful as it should be due to age, use etc?

The buyer is then left thinking that because they have followed advice given and bought A S/H Branded rifle that it WILL do the job straight away. possibly to find to their Horror and or dissapointment that it doesn't and therefore leaves the quarry suffering unnecessarily. Then What?

Take it back to the seller? not much chance of that if not from A shop (Statutory rights etc.)
Sellers have rights too, i.e. private sales are generally on A sold as seen basis with little or no comeback. sometimes not even seen , let alone tried or tested.

Budget will take precidence regarding the choice as will common sense.
Therefore buying the best rifle your budget will allow and having some form of guarantee with it makes far more sense, than merely taking A chance.

Yes I agree the B2 and B3-f aren't really suitable for much else other than plinking but it doesnt mean they're all unsuitable.

[Lez325]

Originally Posted by MIDLANDER

Hi Lez, apologies 1st if this comes accross as A bit snotty, and yes I have noticed the emoticon.

regarding your comment above re the XS36-2 Springer.

You seem to be of the opinion that if the Rifle is not one of the top brands i.e Air Arms, Logun, Theoben etc. it isnt sufficient to deliver A clean Kill. i

I Currently own An XS36-2 and to be honest I find it to be A very capable Rifle. A little noisy on the ear maybe, but still reasonable given the price.

Like any Air Rifle, once the scope is Zeroed properly and it is coupled with the right ammunition and a Competent shooter it is more than capable of Stopping Small vermin.

It'll certainly despatch pigeons cleanly. I know this from experience having done it. 20Yds range with A Head Shot.
Mine is currently fed with AA Diablo Field and at present is putting out around 11Ft/lbs at the muzzle.

I certainly agree that before anyone takes on Live Targets they should hone their shooting skills upto A decent standard 1st. as well as ensuring their chosen rifle is up to the Task.
However, I dont agree that in order to go Hunting for pigeons, Rabbits etc. that the Shooter should only buy Branded Rifles.

Lets face it, we'd All like to drive A top of the range Car, but how many of us actually do?
Most people dont, but the cars they do have still get them where they wanna go.

You (Amongst others) Advise i_am_sam82 to look for A sendhand Rifle.
in order to do the job.
Thats all well and good, but what if the S/H Rifle isnt up to scratch? i.e not as powerful as it should be due to age, use etc?

The buyer is then left thinking that because they have followed advice given and bought A S/H Branded rifle that it WILL do the job straight away. possibly to find to their Horror and or dissapointment that it doesn't and therefore leaves the quarry suffering unnecessarily. Then What?

Take it back to the seller? not much chance of that if not from A shop (Statutory rights etc.)
Sellers have rights too, i.e. private sales are generally on A sold as seen basis with little or no comeback. sometimes not even seen , let alone tried or tested.

Budget will take precidence regarding the choice as will common sense.
Therefore buying the best rifle your budget will allow and having some form of guarantee with it makes far more sense, than merely taking A chance.

Yes I agree the B2 and B3-f aren't really suitable for much else other than plinking but it doesnt mean they're all unsuitable.

Not at all - if you took the time to read the original post- this guy claims he is not very acurate with any rifle nor a competent shooter and a cheap Chinese jobby is not, in my opinion the most acurate rifle on the market today and this is down to build quality or the lack of - so twinned with the shooter in-abilty to hit anything- I would and did recommend as 2nd hand BSA Lightning X:L- not really a top of the range rifle but up for the job and with a built in moderator its quiet too another consideration when sellectin a rifle for vermin control the Chinese rifles tend to be noisey to say then least -you are of course entitled to your opinion which I respect

However: On reading your welcome post - It would appear you are no expert either



Les

[i_am_sam82]

Originally Posted by MIDLANDER

Hi Lez, apologies 1st if this comes accross as A bit snotty, and yes I have noticed the emoticon.

regarding your comment above re the XS36-2 Springer.

You seem to be of the opinion that if the Rifle is not one of the top brands i.e Air Arms, Logun, Theoben etc. it isnt sufficient to deliver A clean Kill. i

I Currently own An XS36-2 and to be honest I find it to be A very capable Rifle. A little noisy on the ear maybe, but still reasonable given the price.

Like any Air Rifle, once the scope is Zeroed properly and it is coupled with the right ammunition and a Competent shooter it is more than capable of Stopping Small vermin.

It'll certainly despatch pigeons cleanly. I know this from experience having done it. 20Yds range with A Head Shot.
Mine is currently fed with AA Diablo Field and at present is putting out around 11Ft/lbs at the muzzle.

I certainly agree that before anyone takes on Live Targets they should hone their shooting skills upto A decent standard 1st. as well as ensuring their chosen rifle is up to the Task.
However, I dont agree that in order to go Hunting for pigeons, Rabbits etc. that the Shooter should only buy Branded Rifles.

Lets face it, we'd All like to drive A top of the range Car, but how many of us actually do?
Most people dont, but the cars they do have still get them where they wanna go.

You (Amongst others) Advise i_am_sam82 to look for A sendhand Rifle.
in order to do the job.
Thats all well and good, but what if the S/H Rifle isnt up to scratch? i.e not as powerful as it should be due to age, use etc?

The buyer is then left thinking that because they have followed advice given and bought A S/H Branded rifle that it WILL do the job straight away. possibly to find to their Horror and or dissapointment that it doesn't and therefore leaves the quarry suffering unnecessarily. Then What?

Take it back to the seller? not much chance of that if not from A shop (Statutory rights etc.)
Sellers have rights too, i.e. private sales are generally on A sold as seen basis with little or no comeback. sometimes not even seen , let alone tried or tested.

Budget will take precidence regarding the choice as will common sense.
Therefore buying the best rifle your budget will allow and having some form of guarantee with it makes far more sense, than merely taking A chance.

Yes I agree the B2 and B3-f aren't really suitable for much else other than plinking but it doesnt mean they're all unsuitable.

Lez do you reckon the qb78 coould take out a rabbit - forget the thing about me not being a good shot, I was being modest but apparantly everyone here is pretty damn serious about pretty much everything. You really don't wanna put a foot wrong. I'm looking at this kit...

http://airrifles.petsports.co.uk//in...products_id=37

cos it's in the price range I've set myself as A BEGINNER TO AIRGUNS, not a COMPLETE ****ING MORON WHO IS GONNA TAKE A POP AT ANYTHING THAT MOVES BEFORE PRACTICING ON TARGETS FIRST.
Also it seems to include everything I might need (bar CO2 cannisters - do you know where I can get these cheap online in my prospective size - 12 I think?)
I want a CO2 gun ideally so I don't have to make any noisy cocking sounds or motions during shoots.

Let me know what you think, mate. Forget all the Preachermen! They have almost put me off what could be an amazingly fulfilling hobby with snobby gun-geekery.

Sam

[TaffyGun]

Originally Posted by i_am_sam82

Lez do you reckon the qb78 coould take out a rabbit - forget the thing about me not being a good shot, I was being modest but apparantly everyone here is pretty damn serious about pretty much everything. You really don't wanna put a foot wrong. I'm looking at this kit...

http://airrifles.petsports.co.uk//in...products_id=37

cos it's in the price range I've set myself as A BEGINNER TO AIRGUNS, not a COMPLETE ****ING MORON WHO IS GONNA TAKE A POP AT ANYTHING THAT MOVES BEFORE PRACTICING ON TARGETS FIRST.
Also it seems to include everything I might need (bar CO2 cannisters - do you know where I can get these cheap online in my prospective size - 12 I think?)
I want a CO2 gun ideally so I don't have to make any noisy cocking sounds or motions during shoots.

Let me know what you think, mate. Forget all the Preachermen! They have almost put me off what could be an amazingly fulfilling hobby with snobby gun-geekery.

Sam

FFS, you are given advice from people who have been doing this for a while and all you can do is slate them. These "preachermen" are trying to help you, you keep asking about these guns and you haven't had one single person tell you to drop everything and go and buy one. I'm having second thoughts now about retracting my apology to you as you are certainly coming across as a spoilt kid spitting his ****ing dummy out, don't let us gun-geeks spoil what IS an amazingly fulfilling sport, but I would suggest you go off and do it on your own.

[Dave_S410]

Co2 wil lwork out expensive in the long run...

PCP will be a big outlay but cheaper to run than co2.

Springer is an ideal way to start as it will allow you to build on the fundamentals of shooting, and will keep going as long as you have enough pellets.

I think what Les was trying to say (and probably has said but I'm too lazy to scroll back up) is that the lower build quality of cheaper imported rifles will let you down.
They may stop stuff you hit, but if the power isn't consistent you are less likely to hit it in the first place (or hit it in the wrong place)
The gun is also more likely to break (although expensive ones break too, just not as easily).
If you can invest in a quality secondhand rifle then it will last you longer and you will get a lot more from it. The more important thing is that a quality rifle will be far easier to repair and tune if it does go awry - a cheap chinese jobby will be welded and pretty much disposable (throw away quality).

[i_am_sam82]

I agree that CO2 has hidden costs Dave, but as I would be using this gun exclusively for hunting, fifty or sixty shots per co2 cannister should serve me well, shouldn't it?

I really like the idea of not having to cock the gun the whole time. I used to have a break barrel air rifle when I was 19, and it just felt like a bit of... well not a toy exactly, but lame that I had to keep cracking it open, putting a pellet in and so on for every shot. To just slip something in the breach (which I know you can also do with underlevers) and be able to fire is very appealing.

I like the kit I supplied the link to earlier. I just can't find out any info on its killing capability.

On the other hand, if anyone knows of any other co2 models (or maybe underlever jobbies) that are better, gimme a hint and I can get searching for deals. But bear in mind I just wanna use this gun as a tool for killing. I'm not into stats, and smoothness, and what's good for pros, and named things. I want something that will do the job. Mainly for pigeons, hopefully for the odd rabbit too.

[i_am_sam82]

http://airrifles.petsports.co.uk//in...roducts_id=280

is this any better. shame the cannisters visible. spoils the look of it.

[demondoof]

go for it
what does that work out at? £20 scope £12 cleaning kit £7 slip £5 mounts so roughly £45 ish for the rifle if you get close enough it might be ok but you do seem to want a lot out of the kit for your money
my young brother in law had the b2 years ago and compared it to my diana g80 that was until he cocked it and the action broke away from the stock and smacked him in the jaw
under the right circumstances most 10 ftlbs rifles will do the job and if you go c02 at least you can shoot the empty carts I know where you are coming from with the limited budget but if you commit to the rifles you are thinking of and don't like it you will be throwing away your money as they really have no s/h value where as if you go s/h and don't like it there is every chance it will hold its value or even increase Its easy for most of us to preach as we already have rifles we like but we all started some where I had a Relum tornado as my intro rifle thought it was the dogs do dahs when I was 14yo now people say they were utter cr*p but I loved and cherished mine and the local wild life never complained cos when they saw it they were gone
So go ahead it does seem a good deal fo the money just bear in mind the advice you have asked for and been given from those who took the time to do so
Good luck and happy hunting
eric